Comments for Toward the West http://hesperian.wordpress.com Promoting the Rich History and Culture of Europeans Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:40:59 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto by Egmond Codfried http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5037 Egmond Codfried Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:40:59 +0000 https://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5037 http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000529 Check out my BLUE BLOOD IS BLACK BLOOD thread. Especially now that Barack Hussein Obama was chosen, we need to take another look at the role of Blacks in history. Their history spans 10.000 years, with only the last 500 years of slavery. Not enough to define them I’d say. Blacks were called Blue Men and then Moors and only around 1770 colour was used to define a nation or a race. And only then and in the 19th century Blacks were deemed inferior because of their Black skin. Even in the American Colonies Blacks and Whites were slave-masters and slave-owners, of Black- as well as White-slaves. In my many pieces I make clear that the symbol for Blue Blood was The Moor, in European art always a pitch-black African with Classical African features. This whole divide between SSA and North African is just a ploy to deny that Europe was dominated by a despotic coloured race (1500-1789); the Nobility and Royal families, or that Blacks built the pyramids. This domination by Black and Coloured European Kings and the subsequent French Revolution is why we have racism agains Blacks today. Fear! EgmondCodfried@hotmail.com http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=000529

Check out my BLUE BLOOD IS BLACK BLOOD thread. Especially now that Barack Hussein Obama was chosen, we need to take another look at the role of Blacks in history. Their history spans 10.000 years, with only the last 500 years of slavery. Not enough to define them I’d say. Blacks were called Blue Men and then Moors and only around 1770 colour was used to define a nation or a race. And only then and in the 19th century Blacks were deemed inferior because of their Black skin. Even in the American Colonies Blacks and Whites were slave-masters and slave-owners, of Black- as well as White-slaves. In my many pieces I make clear that the symbol for Blue Blood was The Moor, in European art always a pitch-black African with Classical African features. This whole divide between SSA and North African is just a ploy to deny that Europe was dominated by a despotic coloured race (1500-1789); the Nobility and Royal families, or that Blacks built the pyramids. This domination by Black and Coloured European Kings and the subsequent French Revolution is why we have racism agains Blacks today. Fear!

EgmondCodfried@hotmail.com

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto by Georg Svalgard http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5036 Georg Svalgard Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:18:10 +0000 https://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5036 No one called beethoven "Der swartze" . He was called "Der Spangol" or "Spangy" because he was a little more tan than most germanics. But this happens once in a while with Nordic people naturally. It is the result of producing more melanin and that is the reason Why Italians and Spanish (and everybody else who is dark in Europe) is darker. In the case of people who come from traditionally fair skin Communities it is just a rare thing that happens once in a while. No need to worry, in fact I am sure some Nordics would like to be able to tan better. I once met a welsh Woman who I asked if she was an American Indian. She said "Oh no, I am Welsh, it runs in my family!"It has nothing to do with not being white. No one called beethoven “Der swartze” . He was called “Der Spangol” or “Spangy” because he was a little more tan than most germanics. But this happens once in a while with Nordic people naturally. It is the result of producing more melanin and that is the reason Why Italians and Spanish (and everybody else who is dark in Europe) is darker. In the case of people who come from traditionally fair skin Communities it is just a rare thing that happens once in a while. No need to worry, in fact I am sure some Nordics would like to be able to tan better. I once met a welsh Woman who I asked if she was an American Indian. She said “Oh no, I am Welsh, it runs in my family!”It has nothing to do with not being white.

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto by faistiacT http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5035 faistiacT Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:42:04 +0000 https://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5035 Heh. Nice. I want make the best use of my successes spirit Oh, good joke) What is a zebra? 26 sizes larger than an "A" bra. Heh. Nice. I want make the best use of my successes spirit Oh, good joke) What is a zebra? 26 sizes larger than an “A” bra.

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto – Part 2 by Kial http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5034 Kial Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:19:04 +0000 http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5034 Also look at the mask at the bottom. that's pretty convincing, I have more of a caucasian shape from the profile but I always looked at negroid features growing up to realize the differences. In that last mask we see the rounded forehead, prognathism of the upper jaw, broad cheek bones and rounded orbital lobes. His skull shape is more negroid than caucasian. Unless those masks are fake this man is definitely mixed race and partially black, there's no doubt in my mind about it! Also look at the mask at the bottom. that’s pretty convincing, I have more of a caucasian shape from the profile but I always looked at negroid features growing up to realize the differences. In that last mask we see the rounded forehead, prognathism of the upper jaw, broad cheek bones and rounded orbital lobes. His skull shape is more negroid than caucasian. Unless those masks are fake this man is definitely mixed race and partially black, there’s no doubt in my mind about it!

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto – Part 2 by Kial http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5033 Kial Wed, 06 Aug 2008 18:15:21 +0000 http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5033 There is always confusion with mulattoes, we don't come with one look, you're going to have one hell of a problem trying to disprive "mulatto-ness" without knowing someone's parents. Good luck. To me he looks mullato, particularly in his younger days and extremely so in the death mask, even his hair does. I am mullato of the more caucasian looking kind. My mom is of Tobagian and a light brown skin tone, even though both her parents are dark brown skinned with broad features. My dad is British and light skinned with light eyes. I came out very pale with blond wavy hair and features similar to the death mask posted, but many of my mulatto friends are darker with dark skin and dark eyes. My girlfriend has a dark skinned black mother and a red haired white father with green eyes. Her (MY gf) eyes are blue and her hair is red with blond highlights but very curly. Her skin is also almost as light as mine, she has freckles and sun burns easily. There is always confusion with mulattoes, we don’t come with one look, you’re going to have one hell of a problem trying to disprive “mulatto-ness” without knowing someone’s parents. Good luck.

To me he looks mullato, particularly in his younger days and extremely so in the death mask, even his hair does.
I am mullato of the more caucasian looking kind. My mom is of Tobagian and a light brown skin tone, even though both her parents are dark brown skinned with broad features.
My dad is British and light skinned with light eyes. I came out very pale with blond wavy hair and features similar to the death mask posted, but many of my mulatto friends are darker with dark skin and dark eyes.
My girlfriend has a dark skinned black mother and a red haired white father with green eyes. Her (MY gf) eyes are blue and her hair is red with blond highlights but very curly. Her skin is also almost as light as mine, she has freckles and sun burns easily.

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto by ZoongeDamDuamn http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5032 ZoongeDamDuamn Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:55:53 +0000 https://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5032 It's amazing It’s amazing

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto by Egmond Codfried http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5031 Egmond Codfried Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:58:11 +0000 https://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/29/beethoven-and-the-mulatto/#comment-5031 THE BLACK VAN BEETHOVEN I would kindly like to share my humble findings. There are portraits of Van Beethoven which match the personal descriptions of him as 'schwartze.' They show a very dark skinned man. Just as you find many white portraits, which I consider fakes. This shows that black skinned Europeans were often portrayed as white's, which means you cannot always tell what a person or his relatives looked like, by the published portraits. For my research I have collected many personal descriptions of elite Europeans from the Renaissance 1500-1789 like kings and queens (Mary of Scots, Charles II Stuart), nobility (Sir Monck of Albemarle, George Keppel) and intellectuals (Voltaire and Rousseau) and have found, to my utter surprise, that there was a black and coloured elite which despotically oppressed the white majority. This ‘Reversed Apartheid’ formally ended with The French Revolution in 1789. The confusion stems from the decision to hide this episode and prevent people from claiming superiority and rights on the basis of their skin colour. This is also the reason we have racism against blacks as this black and coloured elite symbolised their Bleu Blood with the extensive use of The Moor, mostly a young Black boy. Egmond Codfried THE BLACK VAN BEETHOVEN

I would kindly like to share my humble findings.

There are portraits of Van Beethoven which match the personal descriptions of him as ’schwartze.’ They show a very dark skinned man. Just as you find many white portraits, which I consider fakes. This shows that black skinned Europeans were often portrayed as white’s, which means you cannot always tell what a person or his relatives looked like, by the published portraits.

For my research I have collected many personal descriptions of elite Europeans from the Renaissance 1500-1789 like kings and queens (Mary of Scots, Charles II Stuart), nobility (Sir Monck of Albemarle, George Keppel) and intellectuals (Voltaire and Rousseau) and have found, to my utter surprise, that there was a black and coloured elite which despotically oppressed the white majority. This ‘Reversed Apartheid’ formally ended with The French Revolution in 1789.

The confusion stems from the decision to hide this episode and prevent people from claiming superiority and rights on the basis of their skin colour. This is also the reason we have racism against blacks as this black and coloured elite symbolised their Bleu Blood with the extensive use of The Moor, mostly a young Black boy.

Egmond Codfried

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto – Part 2 by Vegas http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5030 Vegas Fri, 27 Jun 2008 03:05:49 +0000 http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5030 Being mulatto, you don't have to look black all the time. Sometimes, people come here looking white. Some biracial people do look more black. Mulatto is generally half black half white. Beethoven, could have even been a quadroon. Not many people hear that word anymore, but they're out there. There are folks you'll never even know who you're speaking to unless they tell you. I met a lady in Walmart the other day, I never never never would've guessed she was black. Be careful what you say around people, (you never know anyone's real background, it's silly to assume) because she was extremely proud to be a black woman, even though there was no trace whatsoever. NONE. Beethoven either took mostly white genes or he was so mixed that his blackness was almost mixed out. It will never be mixed out, because it took all these folks, black and white to create Beethoven. If one of them was missing, there would be no Beethoven. End of story. Being mulatto, you don’t have to look black all the time. Sometimes, people come here looking white. Some biracial people do look more black. Mulatto is generally half black half white. Beethoven, could have even been a quadroon. Not many people hear that word anymore, but they’re out there. There are folks you’ll never even know who you’re speaking to unless they tell you. I met a lady in Walmart the other day, I never never never would’ve guessed she was black. Be careful what you say around people, (you never know anyone’s real background, it’s silly to assume) because she was extremely proud to be a black woman, even though there was no trace whatsoever. NONE. Beethoven either took mostly white genes or he was so mixed that his blackness was almost mixed out. It will never be mixed out, because it took all these folks, black and white to create Beethoven. If one of them was missing, there would be no Beethoven. End of story.

]]> Comment on Beethoven and the Mulatto – Part 2 by PSVS http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5029 PSVS Tue, 17 Jun 2008 14:36:47 +0000 http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/09/07/beethoven-and-the-mulatto-part-2/#comment-5029 I honestly feel sorry for "intellectual" blacks in their desperate attempt to make themselves feel relevent in a world where they simply are not. If it were not for the slave trade all blacks would be with their bretheren in central Africa starving to death. They should simply accept their place in the world. There is nothing really wrong with their history and they should be proud of who they are are move on. I honestly feel sorry for “intellectual” blacks in their desperate attempt to make themselves feel relevent in a world where they simply are not. If it were not for the slave trade all blacks would be with their bretheren in central Africa starving to death.

They should simply accept their place in the world. There is nothing really wrong with their history and they should be proud of who they are are move on.

]]> Comment on Asininity and “White Privilege” by 131488WOLF131488 http://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/21/asininity-and-%e2%80%9cwhite-privilege%e2%80%9d/#comment-5028 131488WOLF131488 Mon, 19 May 2008 13:24:04 +0000 https://hesperian.wordpress.com/2006/08/21/asininity-and-%e2%80%9cwhite-privilege%e2%80%9d/#comment-5028 Once upon a time, White People were not "blessed" by the "joys of di(e)versity...NO nigger/spic/mu(d)slim(e)(etc.)crime/murder/rape, etc. Oh, for those days. 14/88!!! Once upon a time, White People were not “blessed” by the “joys of di(e)versity…NO nigger/spic/mu(d)slim(e)(etc.)crime/murder/rape, etc. Oh, for those days.

14/88!!!

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